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Why does the unbeliever even care …

If we BELIEVE!

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Recently a discussion developed with my last post which is the inspiration of this post below:

“Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”
God’s realm is His Kingdom where His will is done; it is I believe, eternity, a supernatural dimension absent of time and always present without ever beginning.

As long as we are living here on earth, we have time; we can make decisions and choose our next move. We reason with our God-given conscience convincing us to make the correct choice. When we make the wrong choice innocence suffers from the guilty and negativity comes into the world.
Think about your own life and see your loved ones who have suffered because of your choice, it happens to all of us; we make mistakes in judgment. Back in the day, there was a song that went like this; “We always hurt the ones we love, the ones we shouldn’t hurt at all.” Certainly food for thought!
When our time is up, and we breathe our last breath, our will is fixed forever; we can not change if after that fact. If we pass away into eternity, not wanting God, He gives us our desire.

The atheist like to say, your God is terrible, He sends negativity into the world, they fail to see because of Pride, that when one wakes up and finds they are blind, it is because they plucked out their eyes of their own will.

It is God’s will that we here on earth; as in heaven, His will be done! While on earth He offers us time to reason what His will is. To pray, the power of prayer is genuine power, ask, and you shall receive. If you don’t ask, you will not receive. Pride is the downfall of many in this regard.

It is His will that all are saved, but as the Bible states; “How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!” Matthew 7; 14.

14 thoughts on “Why does the unbeliever even care …”

  1. Why does the Unbeliever care?
    1. Because you are posting using the Atheist tag on WordPress. Thus this will reach the Atheist readers and they likely want to correct the falsehoods associated with Atheism. Or perhaps they want to give their input to your blog.

    2. The “unbeliever” cares because they generally have a minority voice and they would like their voice heard. People may claim ”
    -The US is a Christian nation” but the US is also a nation of… non-believers too.

    3. “Think about your own life and see your loved ones who have suffered because of your choice, it happens to all of us; we make mistakes in judgment.”
    -Bingo! It happens to all of us. Believer and Non-believer alike.

    4. “When our time is up, and we breathe our last breath, our will is fixed forever; we can not change if after that fact. If we pass away into eternity, not wanting God, He gives us our desire.”
    -This is not part of the non-believers worldview. That would be akin to me saying that you will receive 100 virgins in heaven.

    5.”The atheist like to say, your God is terrible, He sends negativity into the world, they fail to see because of Pride, that when one wakes up and finds they are blind, it is because they plucked out their eyes of their own will.”
    -Some atheists may think that. Some believe religion can bring negativity into the world, especially when the adherents bear false witness against others or more or less attack people who don’t have similar beliefs. I just reject the theist claim of a god.

    Theists do this all the time. They want to “Save” the atheists (or non-believers). We are doing just great, thank you!

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    1. Surely you didn’t think that my post here was a threat to the atheist readers here on WordPress. It was a general statement. My entire life was hearing the atheist spend much energy trying to destroy our beliefs to the point they fight to get the word “God” out of historical and foundations of well … everything. I don’t see them making that big a fuss about the Tooth Fairy. Why because they know the tooth fairy doesn’t exist, but they know that God does EXIST.

      2. The “unbeliever” cares because they generally have a minority voice and they would like their voice heard. People may claim ”
      -The US is a Christian nation” but the US is also a nation of… non-believers too.
      I reply:
      The “unbeliever” today fits right into the U.S. with the Masonic ideology with their vision of a god of nature and reason building a one world order.
      Your voice is loud and clear.

      3. “Think about your own life and see your loved ones who have suffered because of your choice, it happens to all of us; we make mistakes in judgment.”
      -Bingo! It happens to all of us. Believer and Non-believer alike.
      I reply:
      Of course, it happens to all of us, whoever denied it didn’t. That was a moot point your number 3.

      My blog is a Traditional Catholic blog, and the statement about “our will fixed forever; cannot change after death, how good God is to give us our desire is a belief, compared to the atheist who has no hope. No wonder they are always searching, for different gods.

      My remark about “negativity” stemmed from your comment to me on my previous blog post titled “Who created God” you posted to me, and I quote;
      “The issue with that thought process is that you are going to split the god concept in half… What about the negative we find in the world today? Is that someone else’s creation? 🙂 Just something to think about.”

      Yes, we want to save the atheist because God died for you, as He suffered and died for me. Why did He? He could have just winked His eye and waved us in after the fall of the human race described in the book of Genesis. We humans would never have appreciated that, resulting in the salvation of no one.

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  2. “My entire life was hearing the atheist spend much energy trying to destroy our beliefs to the point they fight to get the word “God” out of historical and foundations of well … everything. I don’t see them making that big a fuss about the Tooth Fairy. Why because they know the tooth fairy doesn’t exist, but they know that God does EXIST.”

    Honestly, I don’t care if one believes in God or the Tooth Fairy. I was just an atheist minding my own business when theists challenged my position (ie. but they know that God does EXIST). I am aware of the Theist believe but a theist has never been able to provide evidence of such a “god”. So no, Atheists do not “know that a god exists”. Agnostics do not know if a god exists. Historically, the US was created as a Secular country. One in which the Federal Government did not want to get involved in matters of religion.

    “The “unbeliever” today fits right into the U.S. with the Masonic ideology with their vision of a god of nature and reason building a one world order.
    Your voice is loud and clear.”

    From what I understand of Mason’s, they believe in a generic God. One that takes bits and pieces of each religion. They are not placing the emphasis on a specific god. New World Order??!? lol… Are you Catholic? I know the Catholics are kind of uptight about Mason’s but Protestants seem okay with it.

    “That was a moot point your number 3.”, Then why did you bring it up in reference to non-believers?

    “compared to the atheist who has no hope. No wonder they are always searching, for different gods.”
    There ya go bearing false witness again. I have plenty of hope. I have a good job, a good future, I’m in a relationship with the one that almost got away. Have good friends and family. I am not looking for any god(s). How many gods do you know of exactly? Do you like the God of Islam? the God of Judea? 🙂

    “Yes, we want to save the atheist because God died for you, as He suffered and died for me. Why did He? He could have just winked His eye and waved us in after the fall of the human race described in the book of Genesis. We humans would never have appreciated that, resulting in the salvation of no one.”

    Why not save the Jew? followers of Islam? Buddhists? Agnostics? Hindu? (how about Protestants, Born again) ..etc Atheists just reject your god….

    So when you ask “non-believers” why they care… it’s because the theists believe we are some sort of sick, problem children who need saving. <—This is why you are causing negativity and why atheists and non-believers fight back.

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    1. You are saying you don’t care at all when you meet someone or read about their belief in God; I wonder then why did you challenge my views when you posted on my blog the other day on my previous post? (I know, it was because I used the tag word “atheist”) But, I am glad I did otherwise we would not have had this back and forth, and I for one enjoyed it.

      You are making a point to prove you don’t believe in God, but you do believe in something, what is it? Everything came into existence all by itself; it just happened, no intelligence behind any of it!.

      There are many pieces of evidence to prove that God exists but the agnostic or atheist refuse to see it, why is that? Is it because if you start to believe in a good God with rules to live by, you will have to change your lifestyle? Just asking?

      Now you are telling me that the US was created as a Secular country, prior to this you said it was a Christian country. Masonic do not believe in God, but they like to play God with their rituals and power seeking fixations, speaking of the higher-ups. It seems when anyone rejects the True God they find a substitute because God put it into everyone to search for Truth. The truth of your Creator.

      Yes, I am Traditional Catholic, the difference is your neighbor Catholic church has adapted to the world and is now under the influence of the Mason who over many years/decades have taken over the Vatican. (Take the time to read the Alta Vendita the Masonic plan to take over the Vatican) Yes, Traditional Catholic are uptight about Masons. Their generic god with bits and pieces of each religion will go along nicely with the One World Order.

      I honestly am pleased you have a good future, love in your life, with friends, and family sounds like you are well adjusted with genuine happiness.

      You ask how many gods do I like??? Do you know the 10 Commandments, I think you do! I do too, and try to keep them the best I can with God’s grace.

      The Bible states that when Jesus was in the prayer just before His crucifixion He sweat blood, because He saw the faces of all the Jews, follower of Islam, Buddhists, Agnostics, Hindu and false Christians who only seek a Christian church that suits their lifestyle, He, Jesus saw them and sweat blood, and that is the reason why I want to be His instrument, the idea for my blog. It is my love for HIM.
      The purpose in life is to know, Him, love Him and serve Him in this life, this is what the Traditional Catholic Church teaches.

      BTW I for one never felt an atheist or agnostic are some sort of sick problem children, after all, I married one. He passed away almost six years ago but by then a believer!

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      1. Ones religious beliefs are not important to me but if the topic comes up, I have no issue talking about it. In the last 10 or 15 years I have studied world religions. I have many great conversations with people here on WordPress, even offline via email.

        I “challenged” your beliefs because you posted with the atheism tag. As the end of my last message referred to… we get so many theists who post here to “save” atheists, because they are misinformed and/or they want to be snide. Sometimes they just get ignored. I get what you are doing, I grew up in a Catholic household. “Saving”, “Spreading the GOOD news..”

        What do I believe? …and the rest of that paragraph appears to be referencing Creation vs. The Big Bang. I believe Creation is a belief and the Big Bang is a theory. Both are quite interesting but ultimately no one knows exactly how the universe came to be. However, I do not believe in the “god of the gaps”. Just because we have a universe, or intelligence or morality, does not mean it must have come from a god. You need to prove a god before you can claim a god did it. And there is no evidence of a god. I don’t “refuse” to see it, I have given theists of varying religions the opportunity to provide evidence but they never have been able to provide any. The evidence I usually get is “belief”, the “bible”, logical arguments that are faulty.

        …and no, my rejection of the theists god has nothing to do with “rules to live by…change your lifestyle”. It sounds like you are making an assumption about my “lifestyle”. This is a very silly argument made by theists all the time, especially since you and I both know that there are many Christians who do not live under the standards you seem to think atheists need to have.

        I’ve always maintained the US is a nation of secular laws. I may have referred to people believing it is a Christian nation. There is a difference. It’s citizens can consider it a Christian nation and it’s true, the majority is but if they look at history, they will find out that our Forefathers created a secular government. As for the Mason’s, it sounds like they too wanted to be somewhat of a secular group that allows people of all gods in their organization but I don’t have a dog in that war…. but can you see how you alienate anyone who doesn’t have the same belief as your own? Attacking Atheists, non-believers, Masons… anyone else?

        I kept asking you about followers of… Judea, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism..etc. for a reason. You see, the follower of Judaism and Islam believe in the same god as you. They may not believe in Jesus but they worship the same god. Buddha was not a god but… let’s say a “Philosopher”, he found out about human suffering and offered a way to live to end suffering. With Christianity you are commanded to be good by fear of punishment. In Buddhism, the onus is on the Buddhist to find it inside themselves to be good to improve their own life and the life of others around them. Buddhist nations have very little crime as compared to their Christian counterparts, why is that?

        The Buddhist accepts all, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. As I pointed out above, Mason’s appear to “accept” people of all walks of life, UUA churches accept people from all walks of life. Atheists are accepting of people from all walks of life… Why do some Christians have such an issue with this concept?

        What do you think of the divide among Catholics about the pope? It seems to have a political divide….

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        1. Since you grew up in a Catholic household, you are familiar with the teachings, what I call proofs of the Faith. You learned about the power of prayer, incorruptible bodies of the Saints (in the past, before Vatican II), the miraculous happenings, to name one the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe, and recent technology has discovered and can’t explain.

          You have said many words as to why you cannot believe; I ask you sincerely, do you want to believe?

          I am not making assumptions about you personally, whatever I post is meant to be taken in generic or general, commonplace. As far as many Christians who do not live under the standards, I know that for a fact, since I have been there. Early when the Church started to change, I even doubted and wondered myself, (is there a God). That is the point in my life I STARTED TO PRAY. Which is why I asked you above, do you want to have faith? Faith is a gift from God, and when you ask for it, I promise you, you will get it.

          As far as other religions believing in the same God, I make it a point not to judge the soul of others, but I can make a judgment about errors, which are against the Faith; Jesus is begotten by the Father. Jesus is everything knowable about the Father. This is why Jesus is called the WORD, in the Bible. He was the only PERSON foretold in the Old Testament. No other god was ever predicted as Jesus Christ was. Take the time to read this link: https://www.scripturecatholic.com/messianic-prophecies-fulfilled-jesus-christ/
          (In fact, I think I will write about this on my blog, sooner than later)
          I can’t worry about alienating other peoples of other religions; I do care for them because God cares. Jesus suffered for them; He wants them to be with Him for all eternity, He wants the atheists, the Masons and all those who reject Him; therefore I only could do for them with love and caring hope God will show mercy to them all.

          This fear you mention we Christians have compared to other beliefs is not the same fear as people define fear it is described as the “discipline” or “instruction” of wisdom. The reason there is little crime as compared to those of Christians is simple enough, but you will probably laugh. The devil has most of the world living just the way he, the devil wants, the devil doesn’t even have to tempt them anymore. He uses all his energy on those of True Faith, which is why it is Catholics who are so hated today in the world, especially Traditional Catholics. Our devotions to the Blessed Mother, Jesus pictures created by unbelievers depicted as ugly by the atheist et al. in the name of ART. No one cares, but try to do the same of anything that is a representative of Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, and it makes the World News in the name of intolerance, and bigotry. That only proves what is True. The devil hates the TRUTH.

          Finally, you ask:” What do you think of the divide among Catholics about the pope? It seems to have a political divide….”
          That would take a rather lengthy reply, but in short, the Vatican has been infiltrated by Illuminati and are dumbing down the Catholic Faith from the top down which is also foretold in the Bible would happen before Anti-Christ is revealed. The reason I asked you to read the Alta Vendita a small pamphlet found on the Internet.

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          1. Oh, yes, I believed many things told to me in my Catholic upbringing… but there was a point I started to wonder what was truth and fiction. While my immediate family didn’t make outlandish claims, my Aunt did. Let’s just quickly cover “The Power Of Prayer”… studies have been conducted on the efficacy of prayer and… no, there is no power of prayer.

            Incorruptible bodies? I see you pointed out that Vatican 2 changed it’s views on Incorruptible bodies. When bodies are stored in certain conditions (ie. Catacombs) there is a great chance they will be preserved. Yet once removed, the bodies start to decompose. You do understand that some of those corpses on display have been treated using wax, acids and things to preserve them, right? This phenomena is not inclusive of “Saints” but happens to people of all religions and all walks of life. This practice of putting dead people on display… eww

            The Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe: There is a great deal of misinformation on this. Snopes even has an article on it. “Scientific” findings taken out of context. but if you follow the scientific articles on it, you will find that it has been touched up throughout the years. The cloth is not cactus fibers either.

            As for your question on belief… I want to believe in as many true things as possible. I do not find the supernatural to be truth. That covers Ghosts, Spirits, Gods, Angels, I will even add “Psychics”, mysticism is a really a waste of my time.

            You wrote:
            “I can’t worry about alienating other peoples of other religions”
            …and that in itself causes conflict. How would you feel if people of all religions started telling you that YOU are wrong. That their way is the only way. That your religion is false and theirs is true? I find it strange that within Christianity, there is much infighting about which denomination is the correct one. It’s pretty sad. Inter-faith services are wonderful.

            “The reason there is little crime as compared to those of Christians is simple enough, but you will probably laugh. The devil…”
            No, I just think it is sad that your belief tell you that people living in harmony, living good moral lives are being fooled by the devil??

            …and I’m not making your transition from you calling everyone else products of the devil and then onto how “Catholics are so hated today in the world”. Maybe it is irony based on you calling everyone but your religious following products of the devil but then you wonder why everyone hates “Catholics”. Think about that…

            Let’s move onto the Pope again. My “Catholics” think he is doing a splendid job. They believe he is the best think that has happened to the Catholic church in years! He welcomes everyone into the fold. I have to admit, your comments on the pope make me think you are on the Conservative – Evangelical side of the aisle.

            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi.

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            1. I see the big difference is you put your FAITH in Snopes a creation of Mikkelson, instead of God, and yes I am conservative. Also, you choose to have belief in liberal naysayers, which is your choice concerning any miraculous occurrences. In other words, you have faith but only in those who, like you refuse to see what another who depends on God instead of creatures sees. You say there is no power in prayer, which is another way of saying, no you will not pray.

              The Incorruptible bodies started to rot with Vatican II, a loss of grace, because of the apostasy; therefore they began to wax we know that, nothing new. The other stuff is debatable

              Most of the WORLD religions do tell they are the only ones some will even resort to killing those who say otherwise. Some even kill their own when one of their own choose a different path. The reason there is so much fighting among denominations is proof the marks of Truth are missing, that is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic, by Catholic meaning universal not exclusive to one particular ethnic. Remember learning the marks of the Church.

              I wonder why you think Inter-faith services are wonderful, maybe your not an atheist, after all, just someone searching for Truth.

              I find it amusing when speaking to people of different ideas they begin to put words never said into the pot such as … “Maybe it is irony based on you calling everyone but your religious following products of the devil.” I hope not, especially since I was in their shoes at one time. I have great hope that God very soon now will wake up His flock, but just like someone who is clearing out weeds from their garden, some good plants are plucked out. Don’t try and twist those words to mean that God can make an accident; it was just an example of when the world will be enlightened the good will suffer as well.

              You enjoy speaking about the Pope, I see. Your “Catholics” think he is doing a splendid job; do the quotes around the word Catholic that you inserted, mean they are no longer Catholic in your eyes? Do you remember years back when someone wanted to prove their point, they would say; “Is the pope Catholic?” They don’t use that joke much anymore.
              BTW everyone has always been welcomed into the fold; they can’t pick and choose what they want to believe what God has revealed. If they do, they are not Catholic.
              I notice you also have faith in Mahatma Gandhi’s words … nice!

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  3. Actually, I put my “faith in researching the truth. I took the time to research the stories behind “Incorruptible Bodies” and the “Tilma”, I read the scientific papers associated with them and found that there is a great deal of misinformation being spread such as scientists findings taken out of context. Even the Catholic hierarchy realizes that once you remove “Incorruptible bodies” from where they are well preserved causes them to decompose. I can’t believe you think the cause of the decomposing was the result of Vatican II, some bodies started to decompose before Vatican II…

    ..and there goes the hate machine again! “Liberal Naysayers”

    “You say there is no power in prayer, which is another way of saying, no you will not pray.”
    This is a head scratcher of an argument. Prayer has to do with a diety, I don’t believe in a diety.

    “Most of the WORLD religions do tell they are the only ones some will even resort to killing those who say otherwise. Some even kill their own when one of their own choose a different path”
    You don’t have to tell me. The inquisition, “Heresy” in Colonial America, The Salem Witch trials…. and of course your answer to it all is “one holy, catholic and apostolic church”. It’s nothing different than what I hear from the Born Again, the Protestant, The non-denominational, from Islam…etc. The believer of every religion will tell me that only their way is the truth… (it’s funny how many adherents of religion tell me their way is the only way, the only truth and all others are the work of the devil.)

    A few points to make as you pointed out my comment on Gandhi and interfaith services. I probably mentioned to you that I study world religions. In fact, when my son was young and pressured by classmates to be “Christian”, it was time I taught him about world religions. We attended services of many different faiths, I went to a UUA (Unitarian Universality Church) and he took a world religion course with them. I taught my son that he is on his own path in life and that he has a great deal of self discovery ahead of him. It is his choice to follow whatever religion he feels is correct or he can choose a non-religious life. However, I did not want him to give into peer-pressure or feel pressured by an “Adult” to make a choice for him.

    “were I to be the founder of a new sect. I would call them Apiarians, and, after the example of the bee, advise them to extract the honey of every sect” -Thomas Jefferson

    That is my mantra. I can take thoughts/Philosophies from Atheist, Agnostics, Christianity, Buddhism, Judea, Hindi, Islam and make them my own and throw out what does not work for me. I can choose friendships to denouncing everyone who does not agree with me. That’s why I made the reference to Gandhi. I’m sure if Jesus was around today, he wouldn’t be going around bashing people over the head but trying to find middle ground with them. He would be accepting of all…. but the way you have defined your religious beliefs… you just bash anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

    I bring up the pope because I see a divide in the Catholic church, some Catholics love the work he is doing and other Catholics do not. It’s like politics, everything needs to be divided.

    I choose not to live my life that way. In fact, I mentioned this story a few times in the past month. A few years ago, I went to a service at the Church I grew up in. The priest got to a point that he was referencing members of the LGBT community and he said “Who am I to say who can and cannot come through these doors…” It was a very welcoming statement.

    I’d much rather live my life welcoming people of all walks of life through my door, rather than being a “divider”, I want to live my life in unity with others.

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    1. Well, they are Liberal; surprised you think the word “Liberal” is a hate word, I think of it as a category as Liberal or Conservative. Another word for naysayer is a doubter, which is what you are by your own words. Many scientists do not agree with the liberal scientists concerning the miraculous events of the Church.

      I believe someday soon; you will pray, God has His way of bringing those He loves to their knees. Mark my word. When that happens, say a prayer for me too!

      Thanks for agreeing with me that it is not only Catholics who say, “we are also the only way.” I stand on my previous ideas that God did find a Church, ONE Church and proved it was the True Church. It is your choice to close your eyes, that doesn’t destroy Him, He is not even threatened.

      The study of world religions is always exciting, good advice there given to your son, can’t fault you on that. With God’s grace, he will judge his path and hopefully will choose correctly, not just a way that suits his lifestyle.

      You sound upset because you want so much to see me bashing everyone, but you see, that would be so sinful of me and very hypocritical because God loves everyone, even those who disagree with Him, even those who reject Him.

      Pointing out my beliefs and why I believe the way I do, is not bashing, it is explaining. Do you really expect me to say, I agree with everyone just to be excepted by the world? Even you do not agree with everyone, i.e., you don’t agree with me. Are you bashing me? I never felt as you were bashing me, hope I am not wrong. Those philosophies you quote from, as you say your mantra, I never said they are wrong, my motto is, “Don’t always look at the messenger, study the message.”
      By your own words here, you said you could denounce others who do not agree with you, that sounds like HATE, to me! Bashing too! Denounce is such a strong word, it means to attack or condemn.

      Well, this present “pope” Francis is sure dividing no doubt about that!

      The priest is correct, no one should ever say, who can not come to the True Church, as I said before the Traditional Catholic church is there to save souls. Funny however if the priest was Novus Ordo (mainstream catholic) They feel everyone is welcome EXCEPT A TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC. LoL!

      You said it; I didn’t “I’d much rather live my life welcoming people of all walks of life through my door, rather than being a “divider,” I want to live my life in unity with others.” Reminds me of this quote: The only fish that “go with the flow” are the fish who are dead and thus have no mission, no goals and no capacity to do anything but float along without resistance.”

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  4. Nice twist, you referred to it as “liberal naysayers”, you should be honest with your intention of that message. It was in the same thought process where you made reference to Snopes/Mikkelson. I really have no issues with Liberals or Conservatives, I would much rather be independent.

    But let’s get back to your comment about Snopes… very ironic that instead of addressing the argument, you attack the source. Here’s a project for you, Go re-read the information about the Tilma, jot down the names of the Scientists they cite. Then research the full text of what the scientists actually said. I was pretty floored when you made the comment “Many scientists do not agree with the liberal scientists concerning the miraculous events of the Church.” I wasn’t referring to “liberal scientists”, I was referring to the scientists that are cited by Catholics. But there you go with the divide again!

    “I believe someday soon; you will pray, God has His way of bringing those He loves to their knees. Mark my word. When that happens, say a prayer for me too!”

    I believe that you have doubts about god and that’s why you post using the atheism wordpress tag. You seem very conflicted. I think you are finding that you were lied to about the Tilma and Incorruptible bodies. You want to know the truth and you are finding it here in the Atheism WordPress group.

    As Professor Dumbledore says “Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it”. It’s like that here in the Atheism WordPress group. We can have a coming out party! WOOT WOOT!

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  5. I just posted a new proof and didn’t use the atheist tag, since it seems to bother you that I have.
    I browsed and noticed that on some atheist blogs, they use the word Christian more than the word Atheist so by your logic are they searching.
    Your tone lately is one of anger; sorry about that, I never meant to anger anyone just speaking my beliefs and answering your questions.

    My latest post and I do hope you will at least read it contains the proof you wanted.
    https://myforever.blog/2018/08/22/proof-of-christianity-for-the-unbeliever/

    Thank you for the conversation.

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    1. Hey, That’s great! I actually read it and the only thing I want to point out is that AD means Anno Domini “In the year of the Lord”, not “After Death’.

      BC/AD is interesting history. It was actually developed in the 5th century but did not find widespread usage until the 8th Century. AND they found that the year 1 AD was not actually Jesus’ birthday year, it is actually around 6 AD.

      Here’s another historic perspective for you… Easter has it’s roots in Passover but they both technically fall around the time of the Vernal Equinox. (Easter is technically not even a Christian term and it’s symbols are more Pagan). Christmas and Hanukkah fall around the time of the Winter Solstice. As we now know, Jesus was not born in December but his birth is celebrated. Many of the symbols of Christmas are also of Pagan origins.

      The Feast of Michael is on or around the Autumnal Equinox. and If I remember correctly, John the Baptist/St John’s Day? is around the Summer Solstice.

      Even if you are an ardent Catholic, the pre-catholic history of these days are very interesting and fascinating. Even the months and days of the week have a fascinating history… something we never really think about anymore.

      …and no, I’m not angry. Just bewildered sometimes to hear that… at least in my humble opinion, that people use their Holy books to justify their own biases. Does the bible teach this? or is this the persons using the bible as justification?

      Great conversation. It’s always great to get an understanding of others through conversation.

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  6. Good to know, “In the year of OUR LORD” who do you think that was?
    As far as Pagan gods, this is explained within the pages of the Bible, when the apostles went out to spread the newly founded Church they encountered the pagan culture and pointed out to them, instead of celebrating to the false now you can celebrate to the True God. As quoted here:
    “For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:”
    [Acts Of Apostles 17:23]
    We as Catholic did learn all that and why some holidays are around pagan days. It matters not in the eyes of God when we remember the truth, it is important to Him, that we recall, and in order to appease the pagans, the Catholic church merely change the REASON for the SEASON.

    You shouldn’t be bewildered about biases from the Bible that is why God gave us a Church to explain and teach, He just didn’t give us a book.

    You made my day with you at least reading my latest posts. SOMEDAY!

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